Responding to Swinburne, Williams

In response to my last post, I wanted to add a few comments as to why I don't agree with Professor Williams. First of all, the situation Williams was positing was misrepresented in the paper I was originally reading by Swinburne. Williams created a situation whereby one person swapped brains with another. Swinburne edited this position as carving one person's brain into two halves and placing them into two new people.
So my response is more to Swinburne, than it is to Williams. Swinburne's attempt to support Descarte's substance dualism is flawed because:
a. his conception of consciousness as a unity cannot be supported. Consciousness isn't a unity. I am never conscious of everything that I have ever been or am now. Think about it: Aren't there memories that you have that you can't recall right now but may at a later date remember and could affect your consciousness?
b. the only thing he ever proves is that we conceive our identity as associated with our brains. How does this prove the existence of the mind?
c. consciousness is immediately affected by our bodies. whatever body we may enter, we are conscious of that body as a limitation of our abilities.
d. we need a body. we can say nothing of the brain unless we have a body to put that brain in.
e. his characterization of perceiving with the mind only is severely flawed. This is my problem with people who have out of body experiences. You see because you have eyes. You hear because you have ears. You feel because you have nerves. You smell because of your olfactory senses. If your mind left your body, you wouldn't have these senses.
Swinburne, as well as Descartes (pictured above), can never get around these problems, nor can any other dualist.

3 Comments:
Wooosh
That was the sound of all of this going over my head.
Here we have a fundamental, if not the fundamental, question in Western philosophy: Are the brain and the mind the same thing?
It's a fork in the road, and the paths don't really cross again. Your answer commits you to one path or the other.
If you say mind and brain are the same thing, you are committed to the brain as a closed, albeit highly complex, system; you are compelled to deny free will, as your choices are already determined by your brain. As compensation, you will not face Judgment by God or man, and you are comforted knowing there is no such thing as sin, evil and hell. On the other hand, poetry, love and a sense of wonder are merely stuff the brain does, phenomena. Krapp's Last Tape is the truth; get used to it.
If the mind and the brain are not the same thing, you have free will and real love. When you look up at the stars, it's God telling you there's so much more. When you choose to sacrifice yourself for your true love, you're experiencing the very touch of the divine, and the heavenly chorus gets that much louder. That's the upside. The downside is you may face an eternal reckoning.
To be reductive for a moment: Go one way, and it's eat, drink and be merry -- for tomorrow we die. Go the other, we risk the fires of hell for the chance to dwell with living God.
Choose wisely.
Bill @ IB
Thanks Bill. I haven't read Krapp (that sounds funny) but I'll check it out.
But, having taken a Kant seminar last semester, your position sounds a like his. For Kant, we have no choice but to assume everyone we encounter is another free-willed individual and act accordingly.
For him, God was evidenced from the sublime experiences we have when we realize we have the ability to perceive things even when we don't know what they are.
Thanks for the comment.
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